Curse

Star_Jewel · Nov 02, 2011, 09:01 PM // 21:01

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Originally Posted by cormac ap dunn

Redux events in the past were for botches on Anets part, this year, there was no mistake, therefore, no Redux event.

Redux usually happens for widespread botches on ANet's part.
In actuality, had my friend only been able to attend the first visit of King Thorn, he would have been SOL, too. We attended the initial midnight finale in LA, and though my friend was there with me the whole time with space in his inventory, his hat didn't show up (while mine did). Not sure why. He was able to attend other appearances to get it after all, but it would have sucked if he couldn't have.

gremlin · Nov 02, 2011, 09:03 PM // 21:03

Nearly every Halloween I am with friends at a costume party.
Every Christmas I am with family away from a computer.
No doubt many in the east spend time celebrating the Chinese new year and so miss that gw festival.

I have one piece of luck and that is I am retired so I don't have to go to work the next day and can happily log into guild wars any time of the day or night and get the hats.
Not everyone is so lucky

What people are asking for is the ability to get a hat that "they want".
I have to emphasise that its something they want and the fact they others do not want it or think something else is more important is irrelevant.

If the event lasts 7 days and your able to be there for 6 of them but not the give out day you have as much right to a hat as someone who logged on for 20 minutes at the right time, you were at the event for longer than they were.

Martin Firestorm · Nov 02, 2011, 09:05 PM // 21:05

So exactly what would the OP trade with this Halloween hat trader? Some decent jokes maybe? As I recall, the events which provide hat traders after the event concludes require a certain number of items obtained during the event in your inventory during the finale. Halloween doesn't require any items, just being there. Isn't that the logic for this different approach which the OP finds so elusive?

SpyderArachnid · Nov 02, 2011, 09:14 PM // 21:14

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Originally Posted by shinta_himura

Instead of coming here and raging like a lunatic I actually put in the time to think of solutions and express them to Anet, but I'm still berated by people who don't really want to talk about it and just want to boast how they don't care about the hat they missed or how it's just a hat and that other people shouldn't care so much either.

Your first posts is nothing but raging and insulting with constructive criticism. Then if anyone posts their opinion on the topic, you belittle them and insult/rage at them. And you wonder why everyone is hateful towards you and why no one is taking you seriously.

Heck, almost every post I ever see from you is you insulting Anet and saying they don't know how to do their job and they need to get their priorities straight. When Halloween costumes were introduced you blew a fuse cause they spent time making costumes instead of doing bug fixes and making new content. Don't even get me started on the Dervish update. Anytime anything came out that wasn't the Dervish update you blew a gasket over it.

Now you make a thread just like every thread every year amongst the million about how you didn't get a hat this year because of internet issues, weather issues, acts of god, etc etc. And you expect Anet to do something about it.

I get your frustration. Really, I do. I've been there before and have missed events due to natural disasters or outages. It happens. But after hearing all your complaints of how Anet needs to focus on actual bugs and adding content instead of fluff and vanity stuff, I find it hard to take your suggestion seriously by adding a vendor to sell holiday hats for tokens. Which in turn, would be what you say, Anet adding fluff and vanity stuff instead of bug fixes and content updates.

Vincent Evan · Nov 02, 2011, 09:29 PM // 21:29

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Originally Posted by Star_Jewel

Wintersday, Halloween, and Dragon Festival masks are different every year. While the opportunity to get a mask is annual, the opportunity to get a specific mask only happens once.

Be that as it may, I believe worrying about real life issues such as a lack of electricity, heat, and water matters more than a hat. While one may miss that year's hat, they have more reason to look forward to next year's hat.

Gli · Nov 02, 2011, 09:32 PM // 21:32

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Originally Posted by Vincent Evan

Be that as it may, I believe worrying about real life issues such as a lack of electricity, heat, and water matters more than a hat.

So people can only worry about one thing at a time nowadays? And seeing as how the OP was online to post this thread, it seems his electricity worries are over anyway, so that leaves room for a new worry, even by your severely limited worry-allowance.

Vincent Evan · Nov 02, 2011, 09:38 PM // 21:38

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Originally Posted by Gli

So people can only worry about one thing at a time nowadays? And seeing as how the OP was online to post this thread, it seems his electricity worries are over anyway, so that leaves room for a new worry, even by your severely limited worry-allowance.

You must look at your priorities in life. I would worry about my life occurrences rather than a video game. The world must truly be a marvelous place to live in if the OP's biggest worry is a finale that would give him a novelty item (which was sub par at best, mind you) for a video game.

Please do not imply my message as a sole statement saying that he should worry about power outages. While he cannot control weather, or the problems that will occur from it, I much rather be striving for power so I can use water to bath, heat to keep warm, and electricity to cook decent meals.

But of course, life has more problems then that. I am happy that I prepared and dealt with the issues I come into trouble with on a daily occurrence. I got ahead in my academic and personal studies, reached out to old friends, and even read part of a nice book when I lost power. There is much more problem(s) [because you oh so believe I was directing my post at one problem] in the world that should be dealt with before we contemplate where we should direct our frustration at.

Edit: Plus, there is a good saying out there: you should not worry about the events you can't control. If losing power was out of the OPs control to handle, then it was meant to be. There is no point in getting worked up about changing the past, what happened has happened. For a more real time example, I may not agree with what the people at OWS are doing, and I may disagree with them, but does that mean I want to stop them? No. I can't because that's what they believe in and I can't stop that.

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

Nope. The hats will never be available again. Not from Thorn, not in the GW shop.

If they were in the GW shop, those that couldn't get them for free could at least pay for them to get them.
It won't solve the troubles for everyone, but at leasy it would be something.

We've also ruled out that you must participate to get a hat, since some festivals have collectors after and some people just keep farming and them buy the tokens for the collector after. And some people is just AFK during the festival.
BEing AFK or coming when the party is over is NOT participating.

We also ruled out that all those that participate get to keep the hat, since it's not directly unlocked and accidents may happen. You may have left the guy AFK, forget to give the hat of have a mindslip that made you think you already showed the hat, delete it and... gone, forever. Even if you did participate.

If you may have the hat without participating, and you may not have the hat even after participating, why is people sticking to that?

We should keep only what's is really true: When you get them in-game, you get them for free.

Just putting them in the GW shop would be welcomed be many players. We already got them for free, so what if they can get them too? I won't enjoy my free hats less because more people have them, newbies have the right to enjoy all of GW, even those silly deer horn hats, and if Anet gets more cash to do more GWBeyond in the process, it's a situation in which everybody wins. Making hats that will be sold later would also ensure they make better hats more people would like.

I think more content for all should prevail over some anal fixation of a few.

To defend my honor, I feel offended that you would berate and blindly answer my post in such a manner. Mind you that I never specified hats. The OP mentioned the subject of events first which is what my post addressed. By the time this is posted, only more time will have past since the hats were released. Seniority is prevalent in the world around us. We see it because we humans are naturally social creatures. We have that instinct to create that hierarchy of a social tier. I disagree to making all hats available because then it defeats the point of having it in the first place. "Oh, I may have missed X hat on this date, but I can get it on Y date" is essentially what you are proposing. Where is the player loyalty in that? This is ANets game and they choose how to distribute rewards. A hypothetical scenario that I bring up shows that choices can create a trend of laziness. Laziness begets reward more than constraints. The rarity of items should be upheld and I see no reason why ANet would incorporate anything different.

FalconDance · Nov 02, 2011, 09:49 PM // 21:49

There are hats I wish I'd gotten over the last six + years that I've played and missed because of real life issues/conflicts, but IT'S ONLY A GAME. It has NO *real* importance beyond a few hours here and there of enjoyment, unwinding from real life.

If a hat made of pixels has so much effect on your life that you feel the need to rage at the world, then I'm afraid there might be a larger issue at play.

gremlin · Nov 02, 2011, 10:20 PM // 22:20

Now some people are getting totally silly and bringing in real life problems of course lack of electricity heat and water are more important than a game.

There is a war in Afghanistan civil war in several other countries starvation earthquakes and floods in some more so why is anet writing a computer game they should be out there fixing the worlds problems.

What the heck has that to do with a forum about a specific game.
It seems some people will try all the reasonable arguments why not then the unreasonable ones than the totally fantastic arguments.

From one request to help out those who find it difficult at holidays to spend time on the computer we get such petty arguments and others who seem to be on a personal crusade to prevent other getting a hat.

Its been said already its just a game so the correct response to can we pick up our hats on another day is to say sounds reasonable or doesn't bother me one way or the other.
The more people think up reasons why not the more I begin to think well it may be just a game to me but it seems your really taking it a little seriously yourself.

Anyway in spite of all the arguments on each side I think anet will have got the message and will make their own decision.

Fluffy Kittens · Nov 02, 2011, 10:33 PM // 22:33

It's just a damn hat...

shinta_himura · Nov 02, 2011, 10:41 PM // 22:41

There are "millions of threads" every year, probably because it's an issue that effects a lot of people and there is a precedent now to resolve the issue.

Family Guy · Nov 02, 2011, 10:47 PM // 22:47

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Originally Posted by Star_Jewel

Redux usually happens for widespread botches on ANet's part.

I believe there was a certain natural disaster not too long ago.... hmmmmm?

cormac ap dunn · Nov 02, 2011, 11:30 PM // 23:30

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Originally Posted by shinta_himura

There are "millions of threads" every year, probably because it's an issue that effects a lot of people and there is a precedent now to resolve the issue.

You mean you lost power for a day. Hardly a precedent now, as this occurred in a small section of the US (and yes I live in the North East) which is only a part of the entire guild wars community. Had my area lost power (350,000 people lost power in my area, thankfully I was unaffected by this one) I would have been fine with the idea that I missed a hat. And there are plenty of places I could have gotten an internet connection (read; coffee shops, libraries, etc.), if i decided that a novelty item in a game was that much more a priority then the immediate concerns about power, and the important things in a snow storm such as heat... Not to stir the pot, but to ask for a small area of effect to be given a priority when this clearly has happened to many others before, for much better reasons seems a bit drastic. I understand the mentality of "but it happened to ME this time" but to ask for this now, when the event is well over is a bit silly. All the points that could possibly be made have been, is there really any more to add to this?

Rise of Cpu · Nov 02, 2011, 11:30 PM // 23:30

To a degree, anet kind of relies on players to use their real life time and devote it to gw for a litle bit of that day. But like everyone is saying, it is just a hat, but for some it means more than what it plainly represents. The hats represent a sense of memory, to look back at the past, perhaps collecting the hats becomes an acheivement, a hobby. In real life we have all sorts of things being collected, and it takes time and devotion. I'm sure if one of you guys took this hat business seriously, that you would also be pissed by how you lost out on an opportunity to boost your collection.
This discussion is just turned into a flamewar, sadly :/ everryone has different ideas, but it seems most of you are guided along to think that the hats have barely any significance to the player-base.
I'm not a fan of the hats, but at least I maintain an open mind about the different difficulties that other players may face.
Weather problem do happen! Sadly I live in hong kong because of job purposes, being from portugal, I'm used to more relaxing weather. In hk, it tends to get the odd hurricane here and there. And its messed up my online routine. Tbh, anet can't prepare for every player because of weather issues, because guild wars has a huge multi-national player-base.

Gli · Nov 02, 2011, 11:38 PM // 23:38

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Originally Posted by gremlin

Its been said already its just a game so the correct response to can we pick up our hats on another day is to say sounds reasonable or doesn't bother me one way or the other.
The more people think up reasons why not the more I begin to think well it may be just a game to me but it seems your really taking it a little seriously yourself.

Exactly.

And actually, the "it's just a game" argument is the best argument in favor of making hat acquisition a bit less inconvenient. If some people aren't having fun because of some arbitrary metagame circumstance that can easily be loosened a bit (like they did with every single other festival), the game isn't working very well. Having fun is what games are about after all.

shinta_himura · Nov 02, 2011, 11:53 PM // 23:53

I meant, the precedent is the hat collectors for the other holidays...

bleh · Nov 03, 2011, 12:54 AM // 00:54

So in CONCLUSION!

- - - MAYBE GET THE HAT NPC ( if you care anet)

AND

- - - we would have been better off using these 5 pages to discuss our favourite kind of kitty cat.

O_O

alot of life stories in this thread heh heh

Rise of Cpu · Nov 03, 2011, 12:58 AM // 00:58

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Originally Posted by bleh

- - - we would have been better off using these 5 pages to discuss our favourite kind of kitty cat.

O_O

alot of life stories in this thread heh heh

Really agree haha! i remember when people used to moan about not getting the hats in previous years, and some of them were just horrendous. it was funny seeing people cry for fugly hats.

Neo Nugget · Nov 03, 2011, 01:17 AM // 01:17

Alright, well I think we've established that "It's just a hat" several times over the past five pages here. If anyone feels that there's potential for some real discussion here, you can go ahead and send me a private message.

Closed.